It's not wizards that does the banning, the Rules Committee is a separate entity. Rarity: Mythic Rare. It’s gotta be Primeval Titan, right? Trample Whenever Primeval Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. inkmoth nexus - (G) (MC) comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (26 children). An argument can be made that it wasn't that strong, that it wasn't changing the format THAT much, but the fact that you would ever play green and every single time people look at your deck without him would scoff at you for building not-ramp, chances are that the card was at least making edh less about ingenuity and creativity because of prime time. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]COLOLFUL_SHEEPMizzix 75 Control, Keiga Theme, Hapatra 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (36 children), [–]elchuckoThat Guy 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children). [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (2 children). Not disagreeing with that. Every turn that passes with this guy in play creatures absurd card advantage. Generally speaking, I dedicate 10-12 "staple" slots for my decks, but anything beyond that becomes formulaic. There's a fine line between a staple card and an op card. Sorry you're getting down voted to hell, I think you contributed to the conversation. [–]grimfolse 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children). [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). Its an extremely powerful card. [–]Aquafier 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child), I understand why it's banned, but I just want to play [[Sylvan Primordial]], [–]highaerials36ZACAMA 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). It's errated to say 'up to 4' so I just pick [[Riftstone Portal]] as my only choice. I just realized I had the wrong card. Vesuva enters as a copy of Dark Depths with no counters, is immediately sacrificed for Marit Lage token. Its an option I considered but ultimately decided I'd be better serves with something else. Formats unique to Magic Online have their own Banned and Restricted lists. I recall seeing blue built relatively differently every time I play against it. How about every tutor that costs two or less? Bane of progress Decks built with Primeval Titan usually had one or two pairs of lands that they got every game, which reduced the variability that is part of the whole (casual) EDH experience as envisioned by the committee. [–]scruffychefThe salt must flow 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). Primeval Titan ( Iconic Masters, # 183 ) Choose Other Printing (4 Total) Info on All Printings ... Legal Legacy: Legal Vintage: Legal Commander (EDH): Banned Brawl: NotLegal Draft: Legal Cube: Legal Tiny Leaders: NotLegal Pauper: NotLegal Singleton: Legal Oathbreaker: Legal Fat Stack: Legal Prismatic: Legal Vanguard: Legal Historic: NotLegal Other: Legal: Rules: Trample Whenever Primeval Titan … Consecrated Sphinx - (G) (MC) [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]onionleekdude 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child), Ulvenwald Hydra - (G) (MC) All from one lynch pin of a card. When you have an opportunity to tutor for lands, it’s hard to find a reason not to get Urborg + Coffers, and tutoring for that pair happens almost every game in my group. It grabs dear depths combos with two lands. A favorite blink or clone target of mine. Whenever Primeval Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, you may search your library for up to two land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library. One is a conditional reanimate, not draw 2 or tutor 2, and the other requires a heavy commitment to black permanents. I count 20 nonland cards in your list (just off the top of your head), so a little under 1/3 of your deck is already made. In green six mana means a lot less. [–]FearfulJesuitIntet's Vivid Dreams 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children). My Titania deck which is already ridiculously strong would be sent over the top with this card. That said, it's sometimes weak if you happen to draw it with few swamps and no uborg. Primeval Titan is neither of those things -- it is merely a, admittedly top tier, card advantage engine. Cyclonic rift is a staple that fits in any deck without defining a strategy; any deck could throw it in. It was a bit more than that. What’s some other fun Dimir commanders that are fun to play that I could build a deck around? Because i can think of at least a dozen other cards in every green deck. The problem was having almost perpetually untapped mana and all the counterspells in the world to stop that removal, [–]Risin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children), [–]Risin 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children). [–]GurzigostNekusar the Hug-razer[] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). The marit lage combo isnt even in the deck (which is spikey AF) because plopping down a free lage in a 4 player game does exactly one thing: turn it into a 1v3. I don't even play Ulvenwald Hydra in it's stead because it's not even comparable. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]OrangebanannaxBrago, King Eternal 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children). Mod | playgroup construction > deck construction, Never Forghetti Dralnu Spaghetti, Usurped By Kess Baguetti, http://tappedout.net/mtg-deck-folders/22-08-15-sgq-edh/, "No wonder those Gruul dirtbags follow him. As someone else mentioned, any game with Primetime became nit a game about magic, but a game about who could use primetime the best. If it was legal it would be in every deck I played. The new Thalia helps with that. Not to mention that genesis wave for 10+ in a deck with only permanents will pretty much be a devestaging, game ending move. I assume you won? I only hate it so much because of its ubiquity. This deck is not Commander / EDH legal. I understand your point...but if you didnt play with him you really dont understand how powerful he really is. I didn't win, though, as someone combo'd NewZuri and Sage of Hours. [–]TorkonKaho 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child). [–]Sicarius_X 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child). When Primetime was legal, I always ran 2-3 effects specifically designed to take someone else's Titan, regardless of what I was running. I personally don't see how any of those cards compare to prime time. Blue loved it was well, I remember loading my blue decks full of clones, just so I could copy a prime time. In a format of haymakers, the person with the ability to cast them all is probably going to win unless they get hated out at a table. Gatherer is the Magic Card Database. I miss Primeval Titan in EDH. In the September Banned List update rules judge Sheldon Menery has announced the following changes: Banned in EDH: Primeval Titan. And when Primeval Titan stops coming down on turn 2, that strategy disappears. And reanimate strategies, and reanimate strategies, and everyone in blue ran [[Bribery]] to steal it out of the blue deck then win by cloning it over and over. I have a mono-green ramp deck that would LOVE this big green ramping trampling beatstick. Right around m12 was the dark days of edh. 1 land instead of 2. Because there are land combos in EDH that can, basically, win you the game or give you a fast and neigh-insurmountable advantage. We don't spend enough to put strip mine in our decks. Yeah, I saw that one when I was checking to see what sort of options exist. Crop Rotation gets one land. 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children). And everybody seems to miss that not just green changed. Below is a list of all banned cards in the Commander format. [–]1newworldorderhula hanna 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (27 children). [+]TheInvaderZim"No wonder those Gruul dirtbags follow him." Deadeye's easy to deal with. [–]TheTiniestPirateSheoldred, More Arms to Hug You 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children). Suddenly with Prime Time, [[Griselbrand]], and the like, the only way to counter them is with an actual counterspell, because once they've hit the field they can't be removed without getting to go off. It is bonkers value even in decks that arent that creature heavy. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]deltaflip 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). Gray Merchant of Asphodel - (G) (MC) You know a slightly more expensive [[Mirri's Guile]] which is still a very playable card. lol he must regularly enter the battlefield as a mega fatty 14/14+ in multiplayer games though. My, admittedly not great, Karador deck has 2 of those. If you draw twice as many cards as all of your opponents, you will most likely still out-value an opponent who drops a PT on the same turn. Sure it does. [–]RetroVirusesGive a man a Vish, he'll eat everything 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children). [–]frozeninfate 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children). Scumbag brain decides to put prime time in an EDH deck, and doesn't remember it's banned for that half minute he got out of his comfy seat. Prime Time gets two. And yeah, the "sometimes repeatable" applies to bounce and flicker strategies too. Returning a card from your graveyard to your hand is pretty solid... searching for any two lands in your library is gross. [–]RetroVirusesGive a man a Vish, he'll eat everything 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child). The game changed from 'who wins in MtG' to 'who can has Prime Time enter the battlefield the most'. Coffers is only really good in a primarily black deck unless you can combo it with uborg. deserted temple - (G) (MC) There are also fun mind-games you can play with Tempt with Discovery. What other ways do you have to put riftstone portal in your graveyard? That is hardly anything to sneeze at in a format where Tempt With Discovery is also legal and puts any land into play untapped (and probably 4 lands if you’re playing ‘casually’). [–]Sovarius 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children). What made Prophet too strong was it's ability to have an extra turn, minus combat, on your opponents turn. [–]Zsedcx22Never Forghetti Dralnu Spaghetti, Usurped By Kess Baguetti 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child). For formats that exist in tabletop as well as Magic Online, banned and restricted announcements are announced on Mondays by Tabletop Studio (R&D), and are … The thing is, since its ban, nothing has changed that would stop the same thing happening again that I can see. You can also hold up like Simic Charm or Boros Charm and sinkhole anyone who tries to strip you. It's a waste of a land slot in my deck. [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children). Primeval titan's most interesting point is that its a pretty good clone target. It doesn't just grab basics. [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children). Is it any good? 1x Primeval Titan; 1x Prophet of Kruphix; 1x Protean Hulk; 1x Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary; 1x Sundering Titan; 1x Sylvan Primordial; Land (3) 1x Karakas; 1x Library of Alexandria; 1x Tolarian Academy; Commander (1). [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]MareykanI don't understand how LED works 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children). Not to mention how busted he is in reanimator decks. Minor text files. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/commander/24889-Commander-Official-Banned-List-And-Format-Philosophy.html, http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12253. Your titania deck is an obvious exclusion, sure, but id say most green decks from my experience meet those criteria. Its banned in Commander, but not in Duel Commander (the french 1v1 format), Source: http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12253. A deck made by someone who doesn't feel the need to always run the absolute best cards possible. tempt with discovery - (G) (MC) That is literally their reasoning. I severely doubt most of the people downvoting me have even played with the card. Want a free 20/20? Easily abuseable with blink effects. Some decks can net 6 mana on turn 2 or 3, and that puts someome far ahead of the rest of the table if they get that going (and green has great creature tutors). New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. I wanted to use him to tutor for Serra's Sanctum every game :( Are there any other ETB creatures that let you search for target land and put it in to play that I could play in place of Titan? That is what format warping means. Format Philosophy Document Released However, in the intervening time, graveyard hate has become stronger and the … When he wasn't banned there used to be the old "I'm gonna grab [[kessig wolfrun]] and [[inkmoth nexus]]" package. That puts you at almost double the mana you were at when he's cast, then with the swing next turn you're even further. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]TheRaveLordOmnath, Locus of Rage 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child). Crop Rotation also forces you to sac a land, which makes it a 2-for-1 not in your favor. [–]kr1msonMemnarch 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). Im gonna take a guess and say no, you dont want that. Banned from casual EDH, getting to play with this powerful, mean, green fighting machine again feels amazingly eval. Still, for 6 cmc its borderline bannable imo. You get nonbasics so if you are grabbing land that give less than two mana you are using it wrong. [–]CommanderSheffield 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (5 children). With that in mind we're banning the most egregious offender Primeval Titan. Realm seekers is literally the next best land searching creature. In a green deck, this is easily done by turn 3-4. [–]GurzigostNekusar the Hug-razer[] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children), should be in literally every deck running green. Meren stax with it would give people headaches. Joke's on everyone in my playgroup. Especially if I can mimic vat it with doubling season. It's just too much value, and I think Sylvan Primordial should be banned for the same reason. Was always afraid to play Dimir because it seemed that no one like to play against it, but playing the Anowon precon; I’ve had an incredible amount of fun! Generals are announced and placed in the command zone before shuffling at the start of the game. Gary isn't nearly as powerful. Idk what it would do to the format tbh. Basically every deck runs [[Sol Ring]] because the ramp is too good to pass up and every black deck should probably run Coffers + Urborg. Let's me fetch out all the land filtering I need, and gives me two guaranteed land drops. [–]jeffseadotNothing stops the Cromat beatdown 72 points73 points74 points 4 years ago (50 children). There are plenty more powerful and broken green cards, [–]Doomy1375 123 points124 points125 points 4 years ago (52 children). -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children). [–]Redsomnambulist 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). The game became about the primeval titan, if you weren't playing one you were still running things to abuse it. The moment it comes down the game becomes: who can clone/reanimate/steal it and who can get rid of the opponent's? I don't think banning all the lands is better than banning a single card. The card is not even close to ban worthy. I dont run most of these cards in my green deck. It got banned because it centralized the game. [–]TheInvaderZim"No wonder those Gruul dirtbags follow him." Only Cradle enables anything truly broken, and that got banned in French for good reason. [–]10vernothinThe Anti-Green Equation 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children). [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]kelptic183Samut, Voice of Sunforger 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child). [–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children). All three people were tempted. [–]vezopubBoom Baby 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children). Cast+blink gets you four lands. The same can be said of so many creatures, I've had many games where the same thing happened over Iona, or Elesh Norn, or whatever the best thing on the board is. Play rules. Not even. And that's why I understand why it was banned. They are essentially auto-includes for decks that support their color identities. It also leads to degenerate games. [–]1newworldorderhula hanna 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). Our buy bots will purchase this card from you via Magic Online for 4.260 tickets each. Prime time and the ban list in general are always correct decisions to play, which is why any deck splashing green included prime time. Magic is a Sport That Requires Good Sportsmanship, I purchased my first OG dual land and got laughed at, Playing with Power has some of the best narration of any MTG content channel. Trust me, my meta at one time allowed one banned card per deck and I ran Prime Time...it won so many of the games. [–]TheInvaderZim"No wonder those Gruul dirtbags follow him." [–]tallguy5420 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). [–]MareykanI don't understand how LED works 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). Blue players fought over it. When he left, ramp was still good, but other things became good too. Every color that could reanimate, steal, control, or flicker, suddenly had a stellar target. You couldn't be playing green right without him. Gotcha, but Tempt is a way worse example. Gruesome Encore - (G) (MC) Majority of decks prefer to ramp through sorceries/oracle unless it's deliberately creature-based. That doesn't consider that lots of people don't even run strip mine effects, and many players will use the opportunity to find their own powerful lands and become Strip Mine targets themselves. This card was auto-include in every green deck. ", http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/commander/24889-Commander-Official-Banned-List-And-Format-Philosophy.html, [–]EspummaSek'Kuar, Deathkeeper 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago* (6 children). Sure he can fetch combos but I don't think that for 6 mana that's too broken, combo decks have lots of tutors and can go off far quicker than using a 6 mana minion, [–]Japicx 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (5 children). Provide decklists when requesting Deck Help, No NSFW, trading, bling, wildly off-topic posts. And, only two of those come close to being game breaking. Two lands for six mana? Please note, green needing to run all these cards is not a bad thing, it's just a stupid argument to ban something. TLDR; EDH is playgroup-sensitive. Any tutor that fetches more than one card? But primeval titan, thats stepping over a line. I much rather run utility lands than that one. save hide report. The card was a absolute power house in every deck it was played in. ... What I question is … [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points 4 years ago (0 children). [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]Leozillahttp://tappedout.net/mtg-deck-folders/22-08-15-sgq-edh/ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). You get 4 strip mine effects, your opponents combined only get 3. My Titania deck only has about a dozen creatures so I don't always have something to sacrifice, and even less often do I have a valid target to search for after the sacrifice is made. Mirri's Guile - (G) (MC) * depending on playgroup of course. Drawing cards is basically the best thing you can do in the format. Those lists are maintained on the format pages themselves. It's a powerful effect but I don't see why it's so much more broken than the other Titans. Which means my creature tutors turn into land tutors as well! It also seems screwed up to me that the only format this is banned in is the pre-broken, just-for-giggles social format(I don't play tournament, so I'm sure someone else could shed some light on that anyway). [–]schutzer-Gitrog Monster 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (18 children), Sylvan library Prime Time gives your opponents a whole turn to find removal and then what did they get? It didnt matter if you were 5 colors, you played this card. ymmv, but I'm SO glad I found a less competitive playgroup with more interesting/diverse decks and not just every deck being tutors and goodstuff. share. In a multiplayer format, the player with Prophet had access to 3 extra "Turns" typically they ran a deck with draw, so it's not that they'd run out of cards either. Giving lands to you opponents, let alone non basic lands, isn't even close to the power level of Prime Time. Cabal Coffers - (G) (MC) The card is not even close to ban worthy. I run it in my Ghavi deck, it's basically just an all star for mana fixing. Imo it was a healthy choice for the format, albeit it does suck to lose him as he's undeniably fun to play. 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children). He single handedly made ramp strategies the best strategies in every green deck. I mean, I came in to edh after the banning, but it seems like green has a healthy selection of viable builds. [–]Japicx 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children). So you were either playing him and ways to exploit him, or you were playing ways to exploit your opponenta having him. [[Deadeye Navigator]] I'll do what I want now. Three color decks would run urborg and coffers even if they did not have enough swamps to justify the coffers on its own. Three color decks would run urborg and coffers even if they did not have enough swamps to justify the coffers on its own. I mean, it works for french just fine... it's literally a two card difference, three if you want to throw cabal coffers on the list, and all of the lands it would ban are broken in their own right. Pod is basically a repeatable tutor. Con Sphinx may do it in the form of draw vs. PT doing in the form of land tutor, but cards in hand are better than lands into play tapped, at least for blue decks. Seems like a bad idea for them. ... Primeval Titan ; Prophet of Kruphix ; Recurring Nightmare ; Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary ; Shahrazad ; Sway of the Stars ; Sundering Titan ; Sylvan Primordial ; Time Vault ; Time Walk ; Tinker … Also, two lands makes a lot more difference than one land, and when there are so many more ways to abuse the effect that grabs two lands (repeatedly, I might add), than there is to grab the one that grabs one land and doesn't even give you CA, the two cards aren't even comparable. Modular mono-black 5 color superfriends deck tech! [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]Flying_Toad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children). I miss Primeval Titan in EDH. Yea, it's very good, [–]MareykanI don't understand how LED works 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children). [–]TorkonKaho 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children). Is that an argument for the ban? It let our angry omnath player win on turn 5. When it showed up in games, those games often revolved completely around Primeval Titan. Decks built with Primeval Titan usually had one or two pairs of lands that they got every game, which reduced the variability that is part of the whole (casual) EDH experience as envisioned by the committee. Posted by. Consecrated Sphinx doesn't allow that, since it just draws you cards. Don't worry about it. Rendered by PID 13203 on r2-app-0c614c544dc9e1217 at 2020-12-06 00:46:33.197353+00:00 running a7f2daa country code: US. [–]ThatOneGuy1294Daretti and Mizzix because shenanigans 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children), [–]jesusice 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children). It got banned because it centralized the game. It was too popular because of prime time. Off topic from the ban list, this is exactly the mindset that made me quit edh for a couple years. What kind of green deck wouldn't run Sylvan library if they had access to one? Avenger of Zendikar - (G) (MC) Holy crap, I just realized tempt with discovery was lands not basic lands. [–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (7 children). We also don't run a bunch of utility lands. Expansion: Iconic Masters. Grabbing gaea's cradle, nykthos, and deserted temple is big game. Everyone takes the offer. … A lot of people don't realize that insane effects in an ETB trigger/activated ability are MUCH more likely to see bans. Everything it fetches is.". I'm disappointed I can't use this in EDH. Yeah it's banned. Because EDH players dont know what they dont want. I am personally glad it is banned and it should stay banned in my opinion. Need a random utility land or 2? If you're running any amount of red, it's easy to give your creatures haste, and so an otherwise bad ass aggro deck becomes an unstoppable force of destruction. [–]RetroVirusesGive a man a Vish, he'll eat everything 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child). My group always takes the offer and I always refuse. Pod isn't a staple because it requires a creature in play and a decent curve from one creature to the next. For example, in our playgroup things devolved to a state where if you didn't run Primeval Titan, then you ran something to be able to get one on your side regardless. Artist: Aleksi … In the world of EDH/Commander, the hammer has just fallen on Prime Time. Urborg + Cabal Coffers, Gaea's Cradle, etc. Prime Time completely warps games. Last time I just countered it instead of trying to convince them not to take it. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]RetroVirusesGive a man a Vish, he'll eat everything 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child). This video is unavailable. I was just stating that I think it's banned for a good reason. [–]Leo-DThe Chain Gang / Animorph 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children). I agree with you because my playgroup did a similar switch. [–]OrangebanannaxBrago, King Eternal 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (4 children). Clones, flicker, reanimate. But yes, I agree with that assessment. u/subbarker. Sun Titan - (G) (MC) I found this article from 2012 announcing its banning, (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/commander/24889-Commander-Official-Banned-List-And-Format-Philosophy.html) but since then I know I've seen people play Primeval Titan in EDH and I've seen it in recent decklists online. Drawing can be just as effective as tutoring if you build a consistent deck. There are plenty of other threats in the game that if unanswered will win games, and many of them cost 6 mana or less. ETB effect searches up Dark Depths and Vesuva. Stealth it, borrow it, or clone it, everyone wanted the huge bonus lands. [+]ifarmpandas comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (0 children). You don't understand how powerful two lands a turn is obviously. If it fetched basic lands, or even forests it would be okay, but a non conditional land cheater is just absurd.

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